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Richard Saldanha posted a new activity comment
What you write is very deep from a philosophical perspective Johannes Castner. As you know, I tend towards a simplified mathematical/statistical view of the world, e.g. see attached article. You might find some useful middle ground in the form of Stuart Russell’s musings – https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3pVB9hLv8TdGjSdJv4CmYjC/nine-things-you-should-know-about-ai – which I’m sure you know well, so just a reminder in case you hadn’t considered recently.
Small world indeed – I’m looking forward to your talk at the Inst. Science & Technology on the 26th October. I’ve asked the IST to get proper details on https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/ist-ai-seminar-tickets-426738806257 but people here might wish to register in any case knowing that’s it’ll be you.
You (and others) might also be interested in https://www.westminsterforumprojects.co.uk/conference/AI-in-the-UK-2022.
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Yes, I’d definitely simplify the abstract and aim to hook a suitable audience. You can introduce complexity in your actual talk but not too much – no one will know your material as well as you so less is definitely more in true Newspeak terms.
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I think that this is more plain and says exactly the same; what do you think Richard Saldanha ? Better?
Abstract:
Biases and Privacy concerns as well as unexplainability have dominated the AI ethics discourse. Concerns for them are necessary but insufficient. I arrive at the ethical necessity of participatory approaches to AI from Amartya Sen’s theory of Justice. This theory puts human empowerment at the center. Participatory approaches are related to both gamification and collective inte…
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Perhaps a gross simplification of your words Johannes Castner so please feel free to ignore me: ”Privacy concerns, unfair biases and the inability to explain AI methods more generally have dominated the AI ethics discourse. Such concerns are necessary but insufficient to deal with all important ethical considerations. Those of you familiar with Amartya Sen’s Theory of Justice will understand why I regard ethics as paramount in AI design. In this seminar, I outline best practice in the building …
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100%, to that point, I had to run a parallel search to understand your angle here; then I signed up for your talk to learn more about it.
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So how about this final one:
Privacy concerns, unfair biases and the inability to explain AI methods more generally have dominated the AI ethics discourse. Such concerns are necessary but insufficient to deal with all important ethical considerations. By introducing elements of Amartya Sen’s Theory of Justice you will come to understand why I regard forms of democratic representation as ethically paramount in AI design. In this seminar, I outline an ethical approach to building AI systems …
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Let me entertain you with a summary generated by AI based on your abstract:
”There are lots of different ways to think about what’s ethical when it comes to building AI systems. Some people think that we should focus on avoiding harm, while others think that we should think about what would make the world a better place. There are also different theories about what fairness looks like. Some people think that everyone should have the same chance to be successful, while others think…
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It’s interesting but it made the story part up from whole cloths 🙂 …it’s this story …to give it away …to simplify should not be the same as to make it more vague, maybe to lose some less important details but not to generalise to the point where it could mean almost anything …the ending is completely vague in my view in the AI version …but the beginning is pretty good actually
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I’m too critical though ..not long ago none of this would have even been close!
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It’s interesting that in its ”simplification” of something that didn’t have a story it found it simpler to make up one!
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While reading your latest abstract, many questions about the implementation, balance of representation and effectiveness of such AI models came to mind, which I take as a sign of its clarity and provocativeness—looking forward to the talk.
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It would become too technical quickly if I were to address the implementation, so I probably can’t really get into that. This paper here gives a more in debt sketch, but even that is still a sketch. Complete solutions would depend on the exact use case. But building (essentially co-creating) those sorts of applications is what I’d like to offer!
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Why not join in with Johannes Castner on the 26th: https://bit.ly/3Ri6Mig @jesus, Ella Bernie et al.
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Jane O'Sullivan posted a new activity comment
Would love to hear your thoughts – Darren Kirby, Pete Domican, Nicola Twiston Davies, Duncan Dalzel-Job, Silvia Janska, Zarir 'Zed' Vakil,Alex Pitt, Damien, Janis Chan, Rob Wright, Mike Richardson, Jen Whitfield, Johannes Castner, David Worrall, Nikki Eve Wallis, Jessica Heagren
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Lexi Radcliffe-Hart posted a new activity comment
I bet Philipp von Bieberstein will be able to help too, especially given the ESG data work he does. Also, calling out to Joanne Thurlow and Veslemøy Klavenes-Berge on the ESG side, and Johannes Castner, Ryan McGee and Sabina Firtala on the data side. Hope this helps!
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Lexi Radcliffe-Hart posted a new activity comment
What brilliant feedback! I’m sure these have helped so far, Johannes Castner. I’d be very happy to offer secondary feedback once you’ve made some changes
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Ok yes now I have swept through the website and I tried to fix all of the problems that aren’t the testimonials (I did send out an email to one of my old colleagues who would work about that as well). This is as far as I have gotten now where all the other concerns are addressed; I think? https://www.johannescastner.com/
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Ella Bernie posted a new activity comment
Hi Ryan, thanks for sharing! Tagging some tech professionals who might be interested or who may know of other people to recommend for mentoring Jesus Iniesta, Isaac Bailey, Chris Pointon, Stephen Morris, Paul Sheppard, Rajat Hooja, Mike Smales, Johannes Castner, Andy Jones, David Ingram, Mark Wong, Simona Bali, PIYUSH GARG
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Thank you very much for the links! Yes well I came from the social sciences and I’ve always been grappling in my work with the necessary complexity to make sense of things (the famous demand for context by anthropologists) while doing my best not to introduce unnecessary and frivolous complexity of my own. I think that the second part of the abstract is still too muddled, for example (I think that for it all to make sense one shouldn’t have to know about Arrow’s Impossibility…
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